Thursday, August 15, 2013

Scottish independence: Scottish Government officials have had initial talks with NATO about membership, talks end in abject failure as NATO officials won’t entertain them, the SNP stance on Trident effectively makes membership of NATO unobtainable, George Laird right again!

Dear All

Awhile ago, I wrote about my appearance on the BBC at the Big Debate.

At the time I attracted quite a lot of abuse regarding my NATO and pro nuclear stance which I knew was extremely important for independence.

Keeping Faslane as a nuclear base guarantees sovereignty.

You can find my thoughts about that night by clicking on the link:

The Scottish National Party afterwards then adopted NATO as their conference after the leadership backed it.

Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon failed to grasp the nettle and didn’t back pro nuclear Faslane, this was a serious tactically political mistake which in part was done to keep on side the republican/CND element of malcontents.

Only now have the Scottish Government have had "initial" talks with NATO, however, it is a complete waste of time and government resources, Scottish independence has virtually no chance of success.


Having tried to get the EU to start discussions and failed miserably, the SNP have trotted into NATO to see if they can get discussions going.

The discussions with senior NATO officials took place at NATO HQ in Brussels, Belgium, however as is the same old story, the discussions went pear shaped, the Scottish delegation was reportedly told that no new member would be allowed to join if it had unresolved military or territorial disputes with other countries.

That is the issue of Faslane remaining as Nuclear Submarine base.

George Laird right again, is this the story of independence, George Laird gets it 100% right, ahead of the curve, ahead of Salmond and Sturgeon as per usual.

Time for a quote by Alex Salmond:

“My problem is that I have too many talented people and not enough Cabinet positions”.

No NATO membership is even being considered unless Faslane is the home of the nuclear submarine fleet.

The rebuff is said to be a coded warning that the SNP’s threat to remove Trident could be an obstacle to Scotland gaining membership.

Trying to spin the failure as a success, a Scottish Government spokeswoman said the talks had been "useful" but that it would "not be appropriate to comment further" on details of the discussions at this time.

In others words, having failed to adopt George Laird radical thinking, Alex Salmond and the SNP were effectively told politely to go away, NATO doesn’t need small minded petty provincial thinking.

Scottish Conservative Tory leader Ruth Davidson said:

"It is no surprise officials were told that shutting down the submarine base at Faslane was incompatible with entry into the alliance. Nato's position is clear - new member states must support a nuclear first-strike policy and will not be admitted until all military disputes with other member countries are resolved. That includes basing disputes for nuclear submarines."

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie stated:

"It is little surprise that NATO officials are concerned that an important part of its defence utility could be unilaterally undermined by one of its new members. But this revelation undermines the SNPs case for strong defences for an independent Scotland. To be a normal member of an alliance you should expect to comply with its rules, ethos and purpose. If the SNP want to ditch Trident they'd need to ditch NATO too. Leaving NATO would leave Scotland without the cornerstone of defence in Europe, potentially exposing us to considerable threats. The SNP seemed content to keep voters in the dark on these critical remarks from NATO officials. So much for an open and honest debate about Scotland's future."

So, more failure and more embarrassment for Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, they entered a halfway with adoption of NATO but keep the malcontents on board with Trident removal so that the indy mugs would continue doing the activism work such as delivering leaflets and manning street stalls.

A spokesman for Scotland’s unpopular Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon insisted:

"An independent Scotland's continued membership of NATO will be in the strategic interests of our neighbours and partners, including the rest of the UK. We have made clear that that continued membership is contingent on the removal of nuclear weapons from Scotland, and if the people of Scotland vote Yes they will have voted to support a proposition that calls for the removal of Trident at the earliest safe opportunity. The UK Government is committed to working constructively with us to make that happen, as they have pledged to respect the result of the referendum and to work constructively, in the interests of the people of Scotland and the rest of the UK, whatever the result."


Big vision is required to win independence, so far the SNP have run a disastrous campaign worthy of an ineffective community council with the clique burying their faces into the indy trough as they soak up the pay and goodies.

Pathetic little people unworthy of independence, and certainly incapable of delivering said independence!

This is just another sign of how incompetent the Scottish National Party is, the revelation will come as no surprise to the many people within the Nationalist movement, Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon cannot deliver independence, they have done no work, they have no plan, they have no vision.

Alex Salmond is an utter buffoon, and buffoons don't get to join the NATO club!

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University 

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