Monday, June 15, 2015

SNP deputy leader Stewart Hosie raises threat of second independence referendum, given the Tories delivered on their devolution promises, Hosie is grasping at straws; FFA will be voted down at Westminster, no one serious in politics is playing silly games with the UK economic security

Dear All

I first met SNP deputy leader Stewart Hosie at the Glasgow North East by-election, the candidate for the SNP was David Kerr.

At that election, I found David Kerr to be a good candidate but he was totally in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Labour won that seat in the shape of Willie Bain.

Some people thought very little of Willie Bain, but in time they will realise that Anne McLaughlin who replaced him as MP is utterly useless.

Anyway, Stewart Hosie has said that a failure to deliver on devolution could spark calls for another Indy ref.

There is alwaysa call for another indyref but that is from the SNP and the phoney little groups they have set up by their members.

It is a hollow threat, events have moved on and the Scottish National Party far from being a player on the field is actually a spectator on the side lines.

SNP deputy leader Stewart Hosie claims the party could propose a second independence referendum; this is meaningless as David Cameron as Prime Minister has ruled this out. What does this mean, it, means the SNP have no legal authority to call a new referendum.

In order for another referendum to be legal, it would require Westminster to approve another Section 30 order.

The Tory Government has delivered new powers under the Smith Commission, as to the continual claim that there was supposed to be further Smith plus proposals called ‘the vow’, this is a myth.

David Cameron has delivered, it is up to the SNP to prove to the people of Scotland that they can deliver; so far they have failed Scotland. Unpopular Nicola Sturgeon wants new powers but she won’t use the ones she already has, independence by stealth.

Trouble for trouble’s sake, the best thing to do is to ignore calls for further powers and tell the SNP no more.

Hosie says no voters are left thinking they’ve been “sold a pup” because they thought more real powers would come to the Scottish Parliament.

As a no voter, I was sold a pup, I voted against the SNP because the SNP aren’t fit and proper to run an independent Scotland.

Money or powers to Holyrood don’t come into it, and certainly No voters will not be joining Sturgeon’s cause.

No matter how kids she gets photographed with!

The SNP want to use the EU referendum as a vehicle to call for another referendum on independence, if people vote to leave the EU. This is what Sturgeon calls “material change” in the country’s circumstances.

But Sturgeon doesn’t and isn’t in charge of Scotland, David Cameron is, he is Sturgeon’s boss. He holds the real levers of power and of sovereignty, not the SNP.   

In an interview with the Financial Times today, Hosie said a second scenario would be:

“If the public – particularly those who voted no – think they’ve been sold a pup because what has been promised doesn’t go as far as... the unprecedented programme of devolution promised by the prime minister.”

Presumably, SNP supporters posing as No voters will be featuring in campaign literate and youtube videos saying they voted no but they have been cheated by Westminster.

At present the SNP is trying to cause further division in the UK by calling for FFA, this will not happen; the reason for this is that Westminster knows that the SNP would create a financial crisis in Scotland which would ripple into the UK causing problems for the money markets.

The Tories have already worked this out, FFA isn’t going to happen.

The SNP are presenting mixed messages which shows not that they are pro FFA but that they are playing silly games,  SNP's finance minister, John Swinney, is at odds with Hosie’s stance on a second referendum.

He said:

“The First Minister was very clear that there would have to be a material change in circumstances before the SNP brought forward proposals for a further referendum”.

Translated, Sturgeon will only stick her neck out if she feels that she can win, the people’s call which the Nationalists hark on about is a scam; Sturgeon doesn’t give a shit about the people.

Having called for FFA and seeing it rejected by Westminster puts the spotlight firmly on the Nationalists who will be shown as not being able to deliver.

When people go see their SNP MP for help, they will experience the other side of the political coin; they won’t be getting the help they thought they would get!

People have been ‘sold a pup’ alright, they voted SNP, the only silver lining is that the Labour Party needed a clear out of some of its MPs, the public did that ‘cull’ for them, and they will keep ‘culling’ Labour till the light dawns.

Labour cannot take people for granted; they need new people, new policies and a new vision for Scotland.

Stewart Hosie is just waffling, expelling hot air that doesn’t amount to anything important; it really is the ‘cry in the night’.

Yours sincerely

George Laird 
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University


Freddy said...

Personally as one of his former constituents, i think Willie Bain is a decent individual George but if the people don't want you they don't want you. As you say what they have elected is immeasurably worse and that goes for the whole of Scotland.

Anonymous said...


Hosie is an arsehole , he knows it and so do we .

No one will take the slightest notice of anything he says because he's an arsehole.

Anonymous said...

Hosie and his msp wife accumulate £150,000 take home pay per year. Plus extras.
I could quite easily make a call to impoverish large numbers of voters if I had that sort of spare change to play with. I'm getting really pissed off listening to this constant whingeing.
Govern and manage the country and keep the noise to a minimum please.

Anonymous said...

The man Hosie's a total buffoon. When are the Nazi SNP going to realise that we are not fooled by their bullshit propaganda. Like Sturgeon claiming Scotland likes immigrants, Scotland likes multiculturalism, Scotland wants asylum seekers, Scotland likes the EU, Scotland doesn't want Trident, Scotland hates Westminster, Scotland oil rich, Scotland keeps the pound, Scotland this Scotland that. You SNP idiots do not speak for my real world Scotland. My Scotland is in Union. We are the majority numb nuts !!

Folk voted NO, not because of any promise of powers, that's just fantasy Hosie. We voted NO because you're a bunch of idiots, imposters, charlatans and most certainly NOT politicians of any calibre. We voted NO because we do not like you or your nasty SNP. You need to study " propaganda for idiots" by Mr J Goebbels a bit more closely. I'm sure you have extra copies in your bunker's library down SNP HQ. "Mine Banff" being another I believe.

Hosie might have a preference for the pin stripe zoot suit like Goebbels but his propaganda skills are no match for the master.

Anonymous said...

Most amusing to see this from Jim Fairlie former Deputy Leader of the SNP!

June 13th, 2015 - 12:43 am  The National Readers

DESPITE two of the recently elected SNP MPs, Tommy Sheppard and George Kerevan, both claiming that full fiscal autonomy (FFA) would be "economic suicide", the party's supporters, following the lead of the First Minister, continue to demand the implementation of FFA.

George Kerevan's assertion came within 24 hours of having been elected on a platform of the "immediate implementation of FFA" therefore, to say there is confusion in the ranks is to put it mildly.

The SNP has absolutely no credibility on the issue of currency, largely as a consequence of the public statements of Alex Salmond when he was First Minister. The party has gone from supporting a Scottish currency, to supporting entry to the euro (condemning sterling as "a millstone around Scotland's neck"), to demanding a sterling currency union, with the rUK with the Bank of England as the "lender of last resort", in the event of Scotland becoming independent.

FFA is simply another version of the currency union the SNP demanded during the independence referendum, based on Salmond's contention that "fiscal policy is the main driving force of any modern economy". Your editorial of June 12 ('The benefits of full fiscal autonomy make it worth ignoring the prophets of doom') does your readers no favours by helping to foster the illusion of FFA being possible in a currency union. In any well-run economy, fiscal and monetary policy complement each other, they do not compete with each other, as they would have to do if the Scottish Government controlled taxation while the Bank of England controlled the currency.

For a start, the Bank of England would set interest rates to suit London and the south-east of England, as they have always done. That would immediately cause problems for the fiscal policies of a Scottish government which sought to expand the economy by borrowing, the limits for which would have been settled by prior agreement. It is no accident that Scottish economic growth rates have lagged behind the UK average by 0.5% each year for the past 30 years.

As the UK rate includes Scotland, the actual difference is greater. Neither is it any accident that pressure has been mounting in the euro-zone to effect greater centralised control of fiscal policy. The rUK government and the Bank of England will learn from the mistakes of the euro-zone, if the SNP don't.

Just as the SNP made a hash of the independence referendum on the issue of a Scottish currency, they are making a stick to break their own back with their obsession with FFA, albeit they intend to kick it into the long grass along with independence.

Jim Fairlie

# Well there you have it!


Auld Jock said...

I sense that the snp is sinking into a mire of serious confusion. Robertson says this, Hosie says that, Salmond says something different, Swinney thinks he may have said something, Sturgeon doesn't know what to say and nobody is listening anyway. Any minute now we will have O'Grady saying something (that's a child's game from a long time ago). I think what is happening is that the snp are beginning to realise that, with independence off the table for a generation (at least), there is no longer any glue to hold them together. They continue to invent scenarios in which they could call for another referendum. As George says, things have moved on. Nobody who could make a referendum happen gives a flying cluck what the snp calls for. The snp are making a fuss about FFA because they are trying to give the impression that they still have something to say about additional concessions being given to Scotland on their watch and, therefore still have a reason to exist and offer themselves to the voters. In truth, they know they won't get FFA and they don't want it anyway. The snp in Scotland was already sliding out of control. Now that there are 56 snp "MPs" in Westminster to add into the mix, we can expect the task of leading and controlling the enlarged party machine to get a lot more difficult.

Anonymous said...

he is a big eared fucknat

Sherbie said...

George, In the photo of "wealthy snp nationalist toff", Stewart Hosie, is he putting his "blinkers" on, or taking them off? haha.

Auld Jock said...

Did I mention confusion in the snp's ranks? Now we hear that, despite having tabled an amendment aimed at getting FFA, a number of snp "MPs" voted against the transfer of precisely these powers. The list includes mr salmond. It is becoming increasingly difficult to figure out what the snp might think they might, possibly, want to think they want to appear to want. Arse, elbow, elbow arse, methinks.

Anonymous said...

Independence apart, I don't have a clue what the SNP are about. But I do sense a power struggle between the Sturgeon and Salmond camps.

I wish they would all shut the fuck up about FFA and try and sort out the mess the Scottish NHS is in and start representing ALL Scottish constituents at Westminster, not just those they feel aren't traitors.

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