Tuesday, June 2, 2015

New poll shows that Scots are more anti EU than the rest of the UK, another ‘Sein Fein’ SNP lie is torn down by the public, unpopular Nicola Sturgeon is looking remarkably inept on international politics, under the mask there isn’t much there in terms of intellectual thought processes

Dear All

One of the falsehoods peddled by ‘Sein Fein’ SNP is that Scotland is more pro EU than the rest of the United Kingdom.

This isn’t the case.

This falsehood has been used by unpopular Nicola Sturgeon to try and create a narrative that if the United Kingdom decided to leave the EU and a majority in Scotland voted to stay in, this would enough reason to trigger a second Scottish independence referendum.

The SNP will not be getting a second indyref anytime soon regardless what happens in the EU referendum provisionally pencilled in for 2017.

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP are irrelevant, look at the ‘feeble 56’ at Westminster, reduced to playing petty silly games.

In a recent poll, 55 per cent of Britons want to stay in the EU, this poll is obviously quite early on, and as such it isn’t definitive, arguments have to be developed on both sides regarding staying or going.

The EU has many pluses going for it; those pluses at this time give the pro EU side a considerable advantage. On the negative side is the loss of sovereignty aspect which has created some serious problems such as being able to properly regulate the UK borders.

This referendum will probably not be a debate as some people will seek to define by race in order to shut down discussion. Yesterday, I did a blog post on why Kezia Dugdale got the issue of EU Nationals getting a vote was wrong. That post, I wrote last night at home, after sticking it up, it seems that Ms. Dugdale was out of step with people like Hilary Benn supporting the current franchise. Although there is a debate to be had on eligibility, that debate must be stand alone post referendum. I am not surprised that what some term people ‘London Labour’ aren’t backing this initiative by her. They are looking at a wider picture beyond a person standing for leadership in Scotland.
Although Nicola Sturgeon has stated that a second vote on Scotland’s future could be held if there is a vote for the United Kingdom to leave the EU, you will find that she will not get a section 30 order out of Westminster. The 18 September 2014 vote sent a clear message to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland rejects your party as the vehicle to deliver independence. As to the 2015 result, this is a backlash against the Labour Party in Scotland.

It is for them to fix their problems not anyone else.

The recent poll on Europe showed that Scots are more likely to vote to leave than those in many other parts of the UK; this is because the people don’t see the benefits. Each day, you can see the EU in action, but you have to look for it, farm subsides for farmers under the Common Agricultural Policy, European Development fund helping to build infrastructure such as roads, working time directives to stop people being exploited by employers. The good times don’t get the credit they deserve or the pro active publicity.

In the press, we see the bad things about the EU, bad news sells newspapers, it is rather like people tuning into Eastenders, not to see people being nice, but to watch make believe bad things happen. One of the most popular bits of bad news is the effect the Euro has had on Greece. I have commented that Greece needs to bite the bullet and default on its debt, and re-introduce its own currency and discard the Euro. The Greeks are limping along in a state of limbo; they need to make a decision for them, not for the EU. If Greece goes this would put pressure for the reform agenda to get that momentum which David Cameron needs.

Westminster has published its EU referendum bill, which will be the most important piece of legislation to come out of this term of the Westminster Parliament.

I have always said there is a case for staying in the EU, but equally, there is a case for leaving. I suspect that many people will have a soft vote; the people who are for in or out are pretty fixed, no argument will change their mind for a variety of reasons.

The question to be used:

“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?”

As to the suggestion by Nicola Sturgeon that the UK could not leave Europe if Scots did not vote in favour of going, it has no weight behind it legally, electorally or morally.

If people in the Untied Kingdom vote to leave, every part of the UK is out. 

The Scottish Conservatives said of the new poll:

“This is an encouraging poll that suggests that there is support for our position to stay within a reformed European Union. It also blows a hole in the SNP’s suggestion that there are marked divergences between England and Scotland on this issue. In reality, opinions on this matter are shared widely across the United Kingdom.”

As regular readers of the blog, you will know I write on the EU on a variety of topics, mostly the economic pitfalls and EU Court of Human Rights judgments. They seem the most interesting, at least to me anyway.

The Prime Minister David Cameron spent much of last week meeting European leaders to see if he could get them onboard in his efforts to renegotiate Britain’s relationship. When he dropped by Poland to see if he could get them to support benefit restrictions for foreign nationals in the UK, it didn’t go well. I am not surprised that the Polish Prime Minister didn’t sign up to his agenda on welfare, it was a non starter. Some of David Cameron’s other proposals did receive a better reception such as reducing red tape.  

As I have previously said, the UK cannot approach this issue in the manner that it has done. The EU needs to adopt an internal immigration policy right across Europe, this would be more sensible a way forward. One of the pillars of the EU is free movement of Labour; the problem is this should be free movement of Labour to a job, not to a country.

I don’t think that 2016 should be the date of the referendum; David Cameron needs to try and get his reforms package through. This means hard lobbying of the other 27 Member States, if he can’t get a deal, that leaves him in a rather tricky situation. He can’t campaign for staying in and then be seen to change his mind as it sends out mixed messages. I suspect he will get reforms, but not his full package; the welfare question doesn’t look viable to me.

And if his package to voters is he has cut EU red tape, it would be a gift for the ‘out’ campaign in so many ways.  

I don’t see people in the UK opting to leave the European Union just yet, they aren’t angry enough to have a political tsunami, and lastly, I would think that Ukip isn’t politically developed enough to win a successful campaign.

Its all about knowing when is the right moment in time to capture the mood.

Yours sincerely

George Laird

The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University  


Anonymous said...

I suspect the SNP are going to be in for a few rude surprises, and not before time.

Interesting to see that social attitude surveys have shown Scotland and the rest of the UK to be broadly in alignment.


Despite the SNP's attempts to create division.

Worth also remembering that in 1975 the SNP campaigned against entering the EU.


I caught out again?

Good luck with the operation.


G Laird said...

Thanks Stuart

After the op, I need a nickname.

Chopped Onion seems to fit.