“I am very conflicted having voted labour at every election for the past 45 years and having recently joined the party to vote against Corbyn as leader. I have no doubt he is committed to his political viewpoint for altruistic reasons, I disagree great difficulty with his positions on trident, stop the war, nationalisation and a number of other issues, but that is OK. What I cannot get past is his support over many decades for the IRA, even during the period it was actively bombing and killing British citizens”.
Recently, my friends at a night out were talking me, and how I could support certain people or a certain party at a certain time. The truth of politics is that no party stays the same, an example is the SNP on NATO; decades spent being anti NATO then to suddenly change for independence, not because of recognition of the policy being wrong but for votes. You won’t find a perfect party which allows you to agree on every policy.
As to Corbyn, when I was in Labour, I voted for him, second time around, previously I wasn’t in the party. I know that he has shortcomings; the biggest ones are defence and foreign affairs. On his domestic front, he fares much better, however, there is an issue of trust, which when you consider the Brexit question and his problems with the ‘progress’ crowd, makes people nervous. A majority voted Leave, which I maintain was the correct thing to do, in years to come; it will shown I contend that leaving the EU was in the economic and national security interest.
Europe has opened
the door to serious problems regarding security, terrorism has been imported.
When you joined Labour to vote against Corbyn, you made a personal choice, like I did, although I voted for him, his past re the support of IRA was something which I didn’t like. Although people shouldn’t forget the past, we have to live in the present so we have to solve the problems of the present. The Conservatives in the shape of John Major started a dialogue with the IRA because they recognised that the terror campaign has run its course and the people on both sides didn’t support it.
Ireland is a great place, and there
was a price paid for peace, before and after Good Friday, politics is about
compromise when the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. You wouldn’t
want to see Ireland
return to the problems of the troubles anymore than anyone else would.
“How can I believe that the British public could be persuaded to vote Labour with the prospect him as PM and McDonnel as Chancellor????”
At election time, you get an ‘offer’, this is called the manifesto, in that document you are presented with a series of proposed changes, some people have said to me that they do like some of the ideas in this document. I haven’t had a change to read it. At the same time other parties give you their offer. You must weight up several things, when you consider voting I would suggest, chiefly the candidate, will that person represent you properly and sincerely if you have a problem. In
Labour crashed due to neglect of the people they were chosen to represent. Non-representation
killed Labour in Scotland,
took time, took decades, but they were operating their own agenda which wasn’t
in sync with the public. This isn’t exclusive to just some in the Labour Party.
You should also look at the manifesto, does their offer make sense to you; are
there things which void their offer? Also what is their track record not just
in your area but how they have operated as a government in the past? Politics
is in flux, I think more and more that the key thing which people want is
representation, if you can’t get it from the candidate, you won’t get it from
them as an MP. Labour losing all but one of their seats shows the problems in
the party go beyond a few people, Labour needs to be taken back to bare metal
back to the principles of Keir Hardie.
“If, as with Michael Foot, we have a Labour leader who present a persona that can be easily caricatured by the media, even the best Manifesto will not be able to cut through and win an election”.
That is a fair point, the leader should be respected, not just by the media, but also by the public and their fellow MPs. Jeremy Corbyn as I see it has a job, not to win the election, his job was to prepare people to come through the party so that a viable government in waiting gives the people a choice. I think although he does well with the grassroots, he has a connection problem because he isn’t seen by some as the next PM.
“With no prospect of winning an election with this leadership Labour will be a party of protest not government. The left have long wished to take over control of the Labour party, they have it now, but it is destroying the it as a party of government”.
Think of this, who was it that brought in the bedroom tax and the WCA, the ATOS scandal?
It was the Labour Party, if you have never been on the receiving end of bad government department decisions, you have missed an experience. Very unpleasant and socially destructive to not just the person but also a community; Labour wants to fix some of the problems which they created. This is a theme with them; it seems being kicked out of government makes some people more ‘caring’. Rachel Reeves famously said that Labour Party wasn’t the party of the unemployed, this fails to taken into account that many unemployed gave up their time to help the party at elections.
Rachel Reeves….. what a scumbag!
“Will there be a modern day Gang of 4 to split the Left and guarantee Tory hegemony for 20 years, I hope not. The Salmond managed to do this on a smaller scale undermining Labour national campaign in 2015 and Sturgeon has had a big hand in rehabilitating the Conservatives in HR2016 & LG2017”.
Well spotted, the SNP want independence, they see more of a chance if the Labour Party in
is marginalised; however, they didn’t calculate that there would be a
Conservative revival in Scotland.
Kezia made several huge mistakes, she upset Nationalist Labour voters and then
Unionist Labour voters, which is why Labour in Scotland crashed. If she had set
fire to the Labour HQ in Glasgow,
that would have been the cherry on top of the icing cake. Kezia’s lack of
support for the Union didn’t just cost her
votes; it also cost her donations from wealthy backers. You can add to it, the
activist base has crashed, members don’t want come out, and lifelong Labour
votes would rather vote SNP than put an X beside a Labour candidate’s name.
“If we ever want to see Socialist government in UK Labour needs to regain
from the SNP, how do you do this with the current offering and leadership?”
100% agree with your statement, the second part how to ‘fix’ Labour, first thing to recognise is that Labour isn’t in a fit state to campaign. Every branch and CLP needs to have a review done on its operation, because to regain
you need to fix everything at the bottom and work your way upwards. Someone or
a team needs to write a report on the operations of every branch and CLP. I
have seen Labour training videos, honestly they are awful; Labour needs a
virtual training series of videos on how to do all aspects of campaigning like
a fly on a wall series, done professionally. I don’t know if you remember Jim
Murphy’s claim that he ‘fixed’ Labour, no he didn’t.
Labour needs a new campaign model and a new structure for teaching, and having popped in to a session for prospective councillors, I wasn’t impressed; a guy reading off a Laptop screen with bad graphics doesn’t a teaching session make. Some people need to be removed from positions because they aren’t very good at it. So, all office staff need to be reviewed, what they do, and how and when it is done, a creation of a dedicated teaching team who operate a system which allows various learning outcomes to be achieved, so there is a universal standard, and allowing lateral thinking to create hybrid campaigns which don’t have to seek permission to operate during elections. Custom campaigns should be allowed in each area because although certain themes are universal, certain areas throw up challenges.
“With the ammunition SNP have stored up for opposition parties to use over the past 10 years Sturgeon should be slaughtered every FMQ's, Ruth Davison lands some good ones but no knock out blows, Kezia much less effective”.
2007, Labour loses Holyrood, from that date to 2011; they didn’t do any work of real importance at Holyrood. Post 2011, they didn’t learn, they didn’t change, so slaughtered again in 2016. And to return for a second to 2015, that campaign was bollocks, I saw months out that Labour thought that presenting crumbs to people would turn them back to Labour.
Is the most pressing social problem in
Scotland, people getting an
alcoholic drink at a football match?
Finally, I would encourage you to vote for the person who you personally feel will represent you and your area, you must make that decision, you will base your vote on one or more factors but you should vote, and get as many people to vote as well. I would also say volunteer to do a bit of time for the candidate you wish to vote for. You don’t need a vast amount of experience but it will let you see a side of politics which perhaps you haven’t seen before. Be dispassionate as you look at the campaign unfolding, you will get a sense of whether candidate is worth your time and your vote. How a candidate treats people helping them is a reflection on how they will treat others if elected. I can tell you this; one person who I campaigned for will not be getting my services in the future.
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