Dear Anon
“I am very conflicted having voted labour at every election
for the past 45 years and having recently joined the party to vote against
Corbyn as leader. I have no doubt he is committed to his political viewpoint
for altruistic reasons, I disagree great difficulty with his positions on
trident, stop the war, nationalisation and a number of other issues, but that
is OK. What I cannot get past is his support over many decades for the IRA,
even during the period it was actively bombing and killing British citizens”.
Recently, my friends at a night out were talking me, and how
I could support certain people or a certain party at a certain time. The truth
of politics is that no party stays the same, an example is the SNP on NATO;
decades spent being anti NATO then to suddenly change for independence, not
because of recognition of the policy being wrong but for votes. You won’t find
a perfect party which allows you to agree on every policy.
As to Corbyn, when I was in Labour, I voted for him, second
time around, previously I wasn’t in the party. I know that he has shortcomings;
the biggest ones are defence and foreign affairs. On his domestic front, he fares
much better, however, there is an issue of trust, which when you consider the
Brexit question and his problems with the ‘progress’ crowd, makes people nervous.
A majority voted Leave, which I maintain was the correct thing to do, in years
to come; it will shown I contend that leaving the EU was in the economic and
national security interest. Europe has opened
the door to serious problems regarding security, terrorism has been imported.
When you joined Labour to vote against Corbyn, you made a
personal choice, like I did, although I voted for him, his past re the support
of IRA was something which I didn’t like. Although people shouldn’t forget the
past, we have to live in the present so we have to solve the problems of the
present. The Conservatives in the shape of John Major started a dialogue with
the IRA because they recognised that the terror campaign has run its course and
the people on both sides didn’t support it. Ireland is a great place, and there
was a price paid for peace, before and after Good Friday, politics is about
compromise when the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. You wouldn’t
want to see Ireland
return to the problems of the troubles anymore than anyone else would.
“How can I believe that the British public could be
persuaded to vote Labour with the prospect him as PM and McDonnel as
Chancellor????”
At election time, you get an ‘offer’, this is called the
manifesto, in that document you are presented with a series of proposed
changes, some people have said to me that they do like some of the ideas in
this document. I haven’t had a change to read it. At the same time other
parties give you their offer. You must weight up several things, when you
consider voting I would suggest, chiefly the candidate, will that person
represent you properly and sincerely if you have a problem. In Scotland ,
Labour crashed due to neglect of the people they were chosen to represent. Non-representation
killed Labour in Scotland ,
took time, took decades, but they were operating their own agenda which wasn’t
in sync with the public. This isn’t exclusive to just some in the Labour Party.
You should also look at the manifesto, does their offer make sense to you; are
there things which void their offer? Also what is their track record not just
in your area but how they have operated as a government in the past? Politics
in Scotland
is in flux, I think more and more that the key thing which people want is
representation, if you can’t get it from the candidate, you won’t get it from
them as an MP. Labour losing all but one of their seats shows the problems in
the party go beyond a few people, Labour needs to be taken back to bare metal
back to the principles of Keir Hardie.
“If, as with Michael Foot, we have a Labour leader who
present a persona that can be easily caricatured by the media, even the best
Manifesto will not be able to cut through and win an election”.
That is a fair point, the leader should be respected, not
just by the media, but also by the public and their fellow MPs. Jeremy Corbyn
as I see it has a job, not to win the election, his job was to prepare people
to come through the party so that a viable government in waiting gives the people
a choice. I think although he does well with the grassroots, he has a
connection problem because he isn’t seen by some as the next PM.
“With no prospect of winning an election with this
leadership Labour will be a party of protest not government. The left have long
wished to take over control of the Labour party, they have it now, but it is
destroying the it as a party of government”.
Think of this, who was it that brought in the bedroom tax
and the WCA, the ATOS scandal?
It was the Labour Party, if you have never been on the receiving
end of bad government department decisions, you have missed an experience. Very
unpleasant and socially destructive to not just the person but also a community;
Labour wants to fix some of the problems which they created. This is a theme
with them; it seems being kicked out of government makes some people more ‘caring’.
Rachel Reeves famously said that Labour Party wasn’t the party of the
unemployed, this fails to taken into account that many unemployed gave up their
time to help the party at elections.
Rachel Reeves….. what a scumbag!
“Will there be a modern day Gang of 4 to split the Left and guarantee Tory hegemony for 20 years, I hope not. The Salmond managed to do this on a smaller scale undermining Labour national campaign in 2015 and Sturgeon has had a big hand in rehabilitating the Conservatives in HR2016 & LG2017”.
Well spotted, the SNP want independence, they see more of a
chance if the Labour Party in Scotland
is marginalised; however, they didn’t calculate that there would be a
Conservative revival in Scotland .
Kezia made several huge mistakes, she upset Nationalist Labour voters and then
Unionist Labour voters, which is why Labour in Scotland crashed. If she had set
fire to the Labour HQ in Glasgow ,
that would have been the cherry on top of the icing cake. Kezia’s lack of
support for the Union didn’t just cost her
votes; it also cost her donations from wealthy backers. You can add to it, the
activist base has crashed, members don’t want come out, and lifelong Labour
votes would rather vote SNP than put an X beside a Labour candidate’s name.
“If we ever want to see Socialist government
in UK Labour needs to regain Scotland
from the SNP, how do you do this with the current offering and leadership?”
100% agree with your statement, the second part how to ‘fix’
Labour, first thing to recognise is that Labour isn’t in a fit state to
campaign. Every branch and CLP needs to have a review done on its operation,
because to regain Scotland ,
you need to fix everything at the bottom and work your way upwards. Someone or
a team needs to write a report on the operations of every branch and CLP. I
have seen Labour training videos, honestly they are awful; Labour needs a
virtual training series of videos on how to do all aspects of campaigning like
a fly on a wall series, done professionally. I don’t know if you remember Jim
Murphy’s claim that he ‘fixed’ Labour, no he didn’t.
Labour needs a new campaign model and a new structure for
teaching, and having popped in to a session for prospective councillors, I wasn’t
impressed; a guy reading off a Laptop screen with bad graphics doesn’t a
teaching session make. Some people need to be removed from positions because
they aren’t very good at it. So, all office staff need to be reviewed, what
they do, and how and when it is done, a creation of a dedicated teaching team
who operate a system which allows various learning outcomes to be achieved, so
there is a universal standard, and allowing lateral thinking to create hybrid
campaigns which don’t have to seek permission to operate during elections.
Custom campaigns should be allowed in each area because although certain themes
are universal, certain areas throw up challenges.
“With the ammunition SNP have stored up for opposition
parties to use over the past 10 years Sturgeon should be slaughtered every
FMQ's, Ruth Davison lands some good ones but no knock out blows, Kezia much
less effective”.
2007, Labour loses Holyrood, from that date to 2011; they
didn’t do any work of real importance at Holyrood. Post 2011, they didn’t
learn, they didn’t change, so slaughtered again in 2016. And to return for a
second to 2015, that campaign was bollocks, I saw months out that Labour
thought that presenting crumbs to people would turn them back to Labour.
Is the most pressing social problem in Scotland , people getting an
alcoholic drink at a football match?
Finally, I would encourage you to vote for the person who you
personally feel will represent you and your area, you must make that decision, you
will base your vote on one or more factors but you should vote, and get as many
people to vote as well. I would also say volunteer to do a bit of time for the candidate
you wish to vote for. You don’t need a vast amount of experience but it will let
you see a side of politics which perhaps you haven’t seen before. Be dispassionate
as you look at the campaign unfolding, you will get a sense of whether candidate is
worth your time and your vote. How a candidate treats people helping them is a reflection
on how they will treat others if elected. I can tell you this; one person who I
campaigned for will not be getting my services in the future.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
George you say we should look at the present not the past actions however corbyn has been saying these things on IRA etc for decades. Even in the last few years since becoming leader he hasn't really addressed these issues but tried to play both side of argument thus ensuring no can really understand his stance, that's not just on IRA either.
ReplyDeleteHis stance on NATO is extremely worrying which must be worrying our allies also.
He constantly contradicts himself and party policy, his close shadow cabinet members also constantly contradict policy with their and corbyn true beliefs.
Ideology seems to be at the centre of everything they want, what's worrying more is that McDonnell is even more hard left than Jeremy and he will be in charge of the treasury.
Under this current labour leadership I will not vote for labour again.
Corbyn IS the problem for the Labour party,, it was ALWAYS PREDICTABLE. Get rid of him NOW to stand ANY chance of a revival.
ReplyDeletegreat piece georgieboy
ReplyDeleteGeorge,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your reply to my post. I will be voting Labour as the alternative is a young lady who has demonstrated her ineptitude in Parliament over the past two years and when I had need to write to her for help with an issue failed to respond adequately.
My support for my party hasn't wavered, my despair is the track record of the current leadership and how this opens my party up to ridicule the problem.
Since my first post the Labour Manifesto has been leaked, From what I have seen of it I am largely happy. I think re-nationalisation of rail is entirely feasible at reasonable cost t the state, Power Generation and distribution would be a bigger reach, but in all this one problem remain the Corbyn/McDonell stick with which the party will be beaten https://twitter.com/bernerlap/status/863639469244764160
Dear Anon
ReplyDeleteThe important thing I always stress on a doorstep is that a person should vote for who they believe in, or they think is the best option of the bunch.
The problem with the SNP getting elected to places like Westminster is that they are out of their depth, instead of using this is a learning experience they set their face to the wind and just act up.
This isn't what Scotland needs but sadly it is what we have been reduced to.
George
Hello George
ReplyDeleteIt's an easy choice for me. The mp here is ian blackford. We hear he has some 6 jobs so he is clearly besotted by money. He recently covered up the snp part of the sign above his office so it seems he is embarrassed by being linked to the snp. This is Charles Kennedy' s old constituency and I am unlikely to forget how the snp behaved towards him. Sure he had problems. We all do. But he was a good constituency mp. If you asked for help, he would give it. Labour and the tories are non starters here but the lib dems are close enough to win if the snp vote sags. The only thing which would please me more than seeing him lose would be seeing slim boy fat salmond lose.
Auld Jock
Hi Auld Jock
ReplyDeleteOn Facebook, I was commenting about the treatment of Charles Kennedy, it was one of the most shameful episodes by the Nationalists, which should have saw everyone involved kicked out of the SNP.
As I said on Facebook, I would banned every Nationalist from the SNP from attending, right up to and including Sturgeon.
George